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Old 07-18-2008, 10:15 AM   #21
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i came to this site in dec07 found it when i googled fta
had great info and free d/l's
then i asked for help
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You know for me I'm into several hobbies this being the newest, when it comes to something as interesting as surfing the sats, its tv but its also a hobby and hobby's are always worth investing a bit into and for roughly .06 a day for a hobby is not all that bad and the knowledge and opportunity to learn something new and then pass that knowledge onto others is not something a price can be put on let alone .06 cents a day.
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I dont think the fee is excessive, to me it is just fair and reasonable. We used to pay 1.99 per gallon of gas and I thought that was reasonable and now I pay 4.89 per gallon, reasonable? YES, I dont have any choice.
But I think it is just an option we all have to make, I joined the vip, loving & reaping the benies it provided me. For sure I will WINE AND COMPLAIN if I dont get what its been promised.....Just my 1/2 cents comment.
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Im glad to see many donating kno !!! good job everyone and dont forget to enter the receiver contest! good luck everyone
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This thread has become an interesting read.
Plus it was posted in the wrong section, so I desided to move it where it should have been posted and made a sticky out of it.

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Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

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Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

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This server is hosted offshore to protect everyone's identify, it has been upgraded to bigger server so when times get heavy maybe it want got down.
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Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

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You are looking at the big number which says how many users have looked at the site as regular members. The truth is that only about .01% of that number has diceded to help us out. We are a community helping each other out and we are just asking for help to keep this site up and running. We have lots of great mods here with lots of knowledge and are always helping out without anything in return so if we ask for a little bit of help then I really don't think that is too much.
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Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

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If you also read... the post... for thanking the VIPS..... for joining... which.. if and when you decide to join... you will be able too.... it said.. that because of the donations.. we have moved to an even larger server.... and more secure.... and that all costs money... now... are you saying... that... the owner of this site, should put in all of his money and time and effort and just break even? It is also, where the money comes from, that allows, this site to now give away receivers, to VIP members... for donating to the site... which I think is great.... I don't pay attention to the how many vips there are.. or are not... or how much in theory... if everyone kicked in 2 bucks a month, how much that would equal.... I can tell you.... that the staff here.. puts in lots of time and effort to help make this site, what it is.. and we do not get paid one penny for doing so.... do we get benefits.. sure we do... we on occasion get receivers to test and write reviews on... so that we can continue to offer support and advice, when members need it.... the donations.. are not just for a profit.. they are to improve this site.. help the staff be more knowledgeable... about brands and models.. that are sold by our sponsors.... and all of that benefits you and everyone else, who joins here, whether they decide to join and get downloads or not.. U will always be welcome here regardless if you donate or not.... we do appreciate your comments and like to hear, what members have to say.... we also, have more and more members.. joining the VIP, and glad that they are..... we are up, when most sites get overloaded and go down... VIP's have their own server, to go to... when it does get crowded here.... to ensure, that they get to download files... so, that frees up, more bandwidth here for the non vip members.... especially the ones.. that keep getting on and asking, are we down now? When will there be a fix? We have grown from hardly any members to over 55,000 members... and we didn't do that.. by not doing something right... I like to think... it is our great attitude... our never putting a member down.... or making them feel bad, and our great staff and members who do the best, that they can, to help and assist each other.... here on this site... this is a family.... not just a site. we all treat each other with respect.... there are sites.. that would have put you on a warning.. a vacation or even banned you, for expressing an opinion. contrary to what the site practices.... or does... here you will not find that happening.. unless a member really gets out of line. We try to keep the spamming off the site... We try to keep the Adult ads off the site.. We try to help and assist, as soon as possible, since none of us can be on here 24 x 7....... There are lots of things.. that go on in the background, that most members never even notice.. just take for granted.... There are lots of responsibilities, to being an owner of a site, to finding the right staff for the site... and hoping to find sponsors.. that also like the site.... The staff, does not just offer help... we have many duties.. that we must monitor... on this site.... and all we want out of it... is to see, happy members... glad, that they succeeded in getting up and running..... and learning and helping others in time.... you say.. you are still learning... we all were there at one time.... I have been around for years... all the way back to C-band days... and BUD(Big Ugly Dishes) 10' dishes... before they even scrambled the signal.... and I am still here and learning.. just like everyone else... We, are glad that you like the site.. and maybe in time.. you will see, that your donation does help the site..... and that, there are advantages to being a VIP... but.. whether you do, or you don't.. you are always welcome here.... good luck.... txsgent
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well i kno that this is MUCH lower than most sites ask for some sites are $50.00 and up a year and the support is lacking from there staff members i am not goin to say you should join our vip program or john bob's down on the other side of the web but we do have the receiver give-a-away for the vip members whichis great! donate say $12 and get a vip membership and maybe a $130 receiver who wins there??? up to you and thanks for your input!
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Quote by woosh--if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more.



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Well put ! Well put!!!! im sure the point has been proven here and also some site charge for all info aswell as where we offer for free! it's the downloads that need the donation!
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in all honesty, to me, $2.00 a month is nothing. it cost's me $1.65 for a tim hortons coffee. the gas in Canada is about $1.40 a liter (which is about $5.60 a gallon, so i don't understand why the americans are complaining about $4.80 gallon lol ) but what really sucks for me, is it's been a while since i've been on the site and i didn't realize i had to pay to be a VIP. I've donated quite a bit in the past, but i went to go download a new bin file and it wouldn't let me. the problem i have, is now i have to wait until my payment goes through to get the new file. Again, i have no problems in donating and paying for my membership, but now i can't get the codes. my question to you, is there any way to speed up the process so i can get the codes faster, or at least does anyone have any suggestions as to where i can go temporarily to get the codes. i will never abandon this amazing site, the people here are just amazing. always very helpful and they never complain when i ask some seriously bonehead questions i've been to a few sites in the past that really didn't make me feel welcome at all. i've never had a problem with that here. so could someone help please? thanks again everyone for your help and amazing work you do here. keep up the great work!
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let me get a admin to look for yourpayment do you have the last 4-5 #'s of confirmation???
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post a thread under subscription problems and a admin will look into the please give them the last 4-5#'s of the confirmation from paypal aswell!
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I dont think it really matters what another man pays,,dont let the big picture fool you,,keep your self in the HERE AND NOW,,and not worry about the calculated OVERALL REVENUE this site may or may not have,,all that really matters per person is that HELP IS HERE ,,HERE AND NOW,,and at the end of the day $20 A year is well worth the cost have having the maintnence for your receiver when you need it,,i know when my car has problems i have to pay to continue to drive,,i cant call GMAC and tell them about the millions of other customers who are making payments as high as mine and expect it to become free,,hell man this is the least amount of money i pan out,,and yet get the most satisfaction of doing so,,because when im not on the road with my band playing music ,,my fat little ass is up under the TV,,That being said,,,if the cost is so much to deal with because of calculating ALL the members overall finances here at this fine site,,like me you will quickly FIND OTHER SITES THAT do charge more and offer less WITH AN ATTITUDE,,not trying to sound mean im sorry if i come off that way,,but i know what these people go through with all the questions and yada yada,,and dealing with dummies like me who dont know anything about this FTA thing,,these guys are the bomb and will help you in every avenue of FTA that they can,, Can you imagine ,, it being you on the support end of this,,and someone starts with the million dollars a year thing,,its sort of BS,,all they ask for is a small donation for their efforts,,not a calculated productive cost chart with a resolute template to show year end totals,,free your self man live a little it dont cost so much,,,,,
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By the way, keep up the great work that everyone does here!!
It would be nice if 59,000+ members join in the VIP program. I would quit my job and stay home to take care of the site. To be honest with you, we have over 1,000 members who joined in the VIP...which is less than 1%. I'm cool with it because they're supporting the site and in return, we supply them with the info that they need.

All the info and help on this site can be used for free,no one is twisting your arm to join in the VIP program. If you're not happy with the site, feel free to leave. There are too many free sites out there that you can go to,just use your search engine to find them. I have nothing to hide from anyone here! Thank you to all who are supporting this site!


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AGREED,,That sure as hell is the finest reply to this whole thread,,SAT HUNTER,,as i mentioned in the thread above yours,i can only guess the crap you guys have to deal with,,,YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT,,And thank you for such an awesome job you guys continue to do................................R**** B
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