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Old 11-06-2008, 09:21 PM   #21
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I know right, lets hold on tight as if we had the last dance with the fat white lady, the same fat lady that sings the last song. In the mean time lets keep good faith and humor to get through this one.
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I have seen a bunch of talk about Nagra 3 being implemented and tested in the data stream so I figured I would explain a bit about how encryption works so that folks understand a bit more about why these rumours are false and why they shouldn’t worry about the release of Nagra 3 so much…..

Just so you know, this is a simplified version… professional encryption is a huge deal with several formulas, algorithms etc….. but just as encryption is huge so is DECRIPTION…… in other words, for every person making encryption there is 5 working to decrypt it…. All of them working for our stb manufacturers….. Here is a basic idea of how encryption works :

All encryption is based on a mathematical formula…. For example… you start off with a code to crack and the idea is that you want to find out how many apples Johnny has in his bucket….. here is how the systems would work…

NAGRA 1….. this works on basic addition (not really.. this is the part where I am makin’ it simpler)…. You start off with someone leaking that there was originally 3 apples in Johnny’s bucket…. The only mathematical process Nagra 1 knows is addition….. so… the provider sends down the number 5 in the data stream… through basic addition your formula tells you to add 5 apples to the original 3… you get eight and boom….. you know the answer…. A simple calculation like this would be done millions and millions of times by your receiver in seconds….. this produces your tv pic using binary language…. When the provider uses addition to change the amount of apples originally in the basket you need a new bin file to help your receiver decrypt the signal….

NAGRA 2…… Now you introduce subtraction into the mix… now the provider can change the number of apples originally in the basket both ways… add more or take some away….. the equation is twice as complicated and your receiver has to work double time…… every once in a while the equation gives you a previous number used because due to subtraction you can go back to a previous number…. This is what happens that causes a previous bin file to work…..

NAGRA 3… Ok… let’s say this bad boy can do multiplication….. now your equations are 3 times as difficult… it is harder for coders to find the formula…. Your number of original apples can now go from 100000 to 2 in a flash of a second due to multiplication…… your receiver is working triple time…… it takes the coders longer to learn how many apples are in the basket……

Bottom line… the bad news is that you may not have any apples in your basket for a while since the coders will need time to figure this out……. The good news is that they are geniuses and a whole lot of rich folks will be losing a pile of money until they get some apples back in your basket……LOL….. no worries….. we will get some downtime but we will be back up and running….
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Good analogy HappyDay2U....I hope all the nay-sayers will just sit back and wait....it is a process that continues to get more complex, but as you say, there are a lot of folks who stand to gain a lot by making this work - so it will be conquered! A lot of people here seem to be of the "sky-is-falling" mentality, but this is totally unnecessary. They knock the coders in anger, yet most - if not all - of the coders (or de-coders as I like to call them) are exceptionally intelligent and highly motivated individuals. I just wish every time there is an interruption that folks would not go off Bad-Mouthing those who are working behind the scenes to get us back up and running....just remember..this is a dirty little game we all play, and one should never forget what we are all ACTUALLY participating in - if you get my drift....



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Thanks to all for all the info it sure helps me out to let others no whats going on. Does anybody now roughly if the sonicview 1000 is still going to be a good old unit to use or should i be looking for something eles.
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Thanks to all for all the info it sure helps me out to let others no whats going on. Does anybody now roughly if the sonicview 1000 is still going to be a good old unit to use or should i be looking for something eles.
Jenna, it is a wait and see what happens... until it is implemented.. and when and if the coders ever break the encryption.. most of the newer receivers will or should work... but also remember that eventually next year.. if the encryption is broken, you might want to start looking at HD receivers... but.. I would be in no hurry to purchase any receiver.. BEV has moved to Nag 3.. and I am not seeing anyone watching it yet.. except the channels that have not been moved.... yet.. that are still on Nag 2. sit back and wait for the move.. and it might takes days, weeks, months or even years.. to break the encryption.. which is why everyone should have a backup alternative... myself.. I run a Legal subscription... so, I am always up.... good luck, txsgent
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if n3 is hacked for DN and bev would one then be able to do testing with DTV ?
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if n3 is hacked for DN and bev would one then be able to do testing with DTV ?
The N3 has nothing to do with DTV.
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Don't ask me how it is hacked, because I am not privy to that either, just informed.
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all will be fine in time watch and c i have faith 100% that niagra 3 will be a joke to fix just a matter of time thanks for the tv in the past graetly appricated
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Thanks happyday2u for all the info you provided on how n1,n2,n3 works.. personnally i always had difficulty understanding all of it but you made it easier for us less "computer smart" folks to understand it. Im not worried.. yes it might take time but im certain sooner or later the coders will find a way as they always do to crack this n3 mombo jombo..
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