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Old 09-27-2015, 07:49 PM   #1
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I scrounged up an old dish 500 eliptical and dp lnb with 2 ports. Hooked it straight to an 8000 PP Upgrade. Using a freq of 11250 I can get lock with great s/q on 110 and 119. The lnb is definitely a dp not dpp. It will lock on diseqc disabled or set to 1.
Im in Northern Pa.
Jumping down to 10750 aimed at 119, sat set to 118,and panning the dish, signal stays low and cant seem to grab 118. If I go slightly left of 119 and cycle tp's, lock occurs on 119 for a few. Just cant seem to grab 118.
Is the eliptical too small for up here or am I missing something? You guys have been awesome help in the past.
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118.7... takes a special LNB.... to hit it... and scan in the channels..

you have several options.....

you can go to ebay and find the 118.7/119 LNB.... which is a Legacy LNB..
hxxp://www.ebay.com/itm/Circular-Dual-LNBF-N118K-118-8-118-7-118-119-Anik-F3-Echo-7-Satellite-Dish-LNB-/121250784566?hash=item1c3b1c2536
or you can go with 2 different types of... DN Lnbs

There is a New Dish Network Twin LNB that will get.. 110-119-118.7
this LNB
hxxp://www.ebay.com/itm/Dish-Network-500-DPP-LNB-International-118-7-Satellite-Antenna-Plus-LNBF-Switch-/171055534780?hash=item27d3b452bc

There is the old.. 118.7/119 LNB that can get... 118.7 and 119..
both of those LNBs are DP or DPPlus.. lnbs..
hxxp://www.ebay.com/itm/Dish-Network-500-PLUS-118-Satellite-LNB-DP-Pro-118-7-International-Antenna-lnbf-/180757498265?hash=item2a15fc8999
but a regular DP LNB is not going to work on 118.7


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You need a special lnb to receive 118.8 as it is a linear sat & not circular as the other provider sats. Because they are so close together there is no room to use two lnb's. When going for 118 you should have a 30" min size dish. The 500+ uses what appears to be a twin lnb but it receives 119/110/118. If you add the little arm that holds a dp single for 129 you have a 1000+. This is what it looks like hxxp://sadoun.com/Sat/Order/LNBFS/DISHNETWORK-LNBF.htm

There are after market standard lnb's that get 119/118 but you can't use them with dp switches.
Check ebay there are many choices.
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:19 PM   #4
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thanks for the great tutorial. i was thinking back when i got my first receiver, a t5. using a dp+ lnb for 110 and 119 i got a lock on anik 3 while trying to get 119. a bump to the west a touch popped in 119.
so i wondered if my free dish 500 and dp lnb was the problem. guess so huh?
appreciate it surr. you have a patient and professional way of explaining things.
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hey. i was just thinking something. because i initially was able to get 118 with the dpp lnb that receives 110/119 now, is it possible it is the twin youre speaking of. the links posted dont take me to ebay to see if a part number is there to compare. would you maybe perhaps have that number?
i draged an old direc lnb out but could only get 119 locked with it. its raining bad now so cant get that p/n at the moment.
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Did you figure out how to scan all the channels off Anik sat? I have a Invacom qph 031 LNB which gives me a handful channels on 11250 from the Sat, when I set it to 10750 it does not see any channels, maybe I do not have the right tp loaded in my box? How do I add more tp's to a LinkBox HD 8000, also where can I get a list of tp's for different channels on that sat? From what I have read, the channels should be visible at 10750.

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This will show you what the new twin looks like - change the xx to tt -- hxxp://sadoun.com/Sat/Order/LNBFS/DISHNETWORK-LNBF.htm
Use google to see photos - I could post pics but you can't see them - you need to be vip to see photos.

jsjack - an invacom will only get one polarity on 118 not both because 118 is not a true linear lnb as explained in post 1.
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guys please dont hijack this guy just yet.
lyngsat sucks quite alot lately. like symbol rate and polarity settings.
ive spent extensive time searching before coming asking for help.
if 118 is using 21500, im none the wiser. if my lnb has to be set at 11250, well im under the assumption its supposed to be 10750.
at 10750 when jumping tp's i get a few 119 locks.
the last file i d/l for the 8000 and my t5....tp rates and polarity are all screwed up.
to make things worse you get lock on h and v polarities. so you have to do a sat channel list edit by tp. no channels received, flip polarity and try again. and have a pen available
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when you see links with hxxp to make it a dead link...
Very few sites are allowed to be posted as live links here. because it leads a path back to this site.. so links have to be dead..
Here are some that are approved for live links.. lyngsat.com satbeams.com

you just copy and paste starting with the www. part of the address forget the hxxp:// not needed to copy and paste an address...

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thanks txs. my dpp doesnt look anything like those pics. no p/n on it either. it looks like one oval cover covering both feedhorn holes. think ill experiment in awhile when the cats and dogs take a break.on a side note. id go vip. do prepaids work here? do you need to reg with them for it to work?
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Why don't you post a photo of what you have. If you are using the old dp 119/118
Here is a photo if you can see it, it also has a single for 110 that mounts next to it. Can also add another for 129 on the other side.
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hey hi.im back. still holding off getting that lnb because im a pig head.

i saw the mod for a dp lnb to get 118.7. i popped the cover and broke the little clear plastic piece loose from the throat, stuck it in 90 degrees, and messed with lnb settings. i had lock on anik 3.

i tweaked the angle and depth of the chunk of plastic for best s/q. then moved the dish to see if i could get more. i lost sig, couldnt get it back. seated the chunk vertical again and managed to get 119 back.

since then, i havent been able to catch 118 at all. it seemed almost too easy. any tips guys?

and when i break down and get that special lnb will i also have to get a dp44 or can i use my 2 dish, dual dpp for 110/119 and single dpp for 129 daisy chain cabling?

sucks. i had 118 too easy. lost it before i could scan.
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The dpp twin 119/110 would be replaced by the new dp 119/118 if that's the one you're planning on. You can't just add a 118.8 lnb - there is no dp 118 made only 119/118 singles & twins 119/118/110. Pictures in posts 7 & 11
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getting my guns loaded.
so, no switch needed. cool!
what are the typical diseqc settings?
right now 110 is 2. 119 is 1. 129 is 3. all freqs are 11250. and are all ocs-dp.

thanks alot surr. everyone else too.
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You may still need a switch to combine all 4 sats. Depends on what lnb's & number of receivers used.

Yes those are default settings, 118 would be port 4 lnb freq 10750 - tp 11715
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ok. i have been jumping around the web for a bit.getting iffy info.
considering im using a dp+ twin lnbf for 110/119 and a single cable to my t5. all is good.
a second dish dedicated for 129 with cable (a dp+ single) running to the twin.
power inserter only on port 1 of the single to make the receiver happy. still good.

am i under the assumption that the new dp+ lnbf for 110/118.7/119 will let me hook up the 129 dish with no dp44 and i just set my diseqc 1.0 and freqs for the anik 3 lnbf? and all will be cool?
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ok. i have been jumping around the web for a bit.getting iffy info.
considering im using a dp+ twin lnbf for 110/119 and a single cable to my t5. all is good.
Yes

a second dish dedicated for 129 with cable (a dp+ single) running to the twin.
power inserter only on port 1 of the single to make the receiver happy. still good.

There are no dpp singles they are dp singles with one or two outputs
You can run one to the dpp twin but we do not recommend using the power inserter without the dpp44 switch. They were designed to work together, sold together & should be used together. With the switch you would need 3 leads, one from each lnb to the inputs of the dpp44.


am i under the assumption that the new dp+ lnbf for 110/118.7/119 will let me hook up the 129 dish with no dp44 and i just set my diseqc 1.0 and freqs for the anik 3 lnbf? and all will be cool?
I haven't seen the new lnb used but I can't fathom a dpp/dp 4 lnb set up being powered by just one receiver. I looked at the new 119/118/110 lnb (post 7) it is marked dpp. It has 3 outputs no input - If you look at the instillation manual (link) they show a single going to the switch (DPP44) so it looks like you will need to use the switch. They also show the dish 1000 set up on page 3 - 5. It too requires a dpp44 switch. It shows the 119/118 lnb being used with 2 singles. If you have any other questions ask.
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great conversation. not to be a p.i.t.a
when i first got into this i had an eastern arc and 119 dish. knowing the ea was no good for me i used the 119 with single lnbf. the receiver ran hot. around 165 on the main processor with an ir meter.
then i added the twin lnbf. for a short bit with only the twin cabled, the processor was up to the 180's if memory serves me.
i read of injecting 22vdc into port 1. my junk box turned up the perfect switching supply.
a piece of coax, an f connector and wired to the supply with .1 uf caps at either end across center conductor and shield to suppress transients. hooked up and no measurable voltage going back to the receiver, i tried it. looks like it works...great too.
processor temp is 120-135 degrees. tolerable.
but, switch it is i guess to swap out the twin for the dpp with 118.
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Most peeps use cooling fans to keep the boards & 8psk modules cool.
Since the switch regulates the power going to the lnbs we suggest using it. We know of one member that damaged a receiver using only a power inserter. You have proved the importance of using it - if the board put off that much heat trying to power a twin dp imagine what it may go to with a triple dpp.
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well im back. i have sucsessfully modded a spare dp lnb to get 118.7.
removing the cover and carefully breaking the glue holding the phasing plug and turning it 45 °.
not optimal but it works. i got lock after messing with freq settings. scanning sucked.
then i found out the qpsk module is fried. my trusty t5 scanned nice. not perfect.
so there are worthwile channels on anik 3. ill start shopping for a proper lnb.
and a dpp44.
a neighbor gave me a 28 inch dish with trio. mirrored the dish to find focus.
built a nice bracket for the dp lnb.

next project. because i hate how the 8000hd lacks the header for a fan, like a t5 does.
tap into the spdif optical header for 5v or so to trigger a mini ssr. the obvious place for switched voltage.
and grab 12v off the ps to run a fan.

yeah, i hate electronics!
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