Are you really going to charge for this site?

[heroe2001]

To the Owner

First of all I join this site because it looks trusty and have good posts. It has a good support but it is something that other sites have as well.

I think that you earn all the people that join this site because we recommend you. Now it results that if we didn't recommend you in first place we can still join you for free? Maybe your site will be not so big? I don't completely understand this point.

As a business man you should take advantage from this situation and charge more to your sponsors not to your clients. Also get new sponsors because of the same.

I know, I know it is only 2 dollars but this is not the reason that I'm complaining it is about the reason that you explain to your costumers that you're going to start charging. Because you're GROING?! c'mon!

To be honest I already start looking for a new site and I already download the file that I need for free.

After all it is your site and you know what you do with it, this is just a comment. I wish you the best and keep up with the good work, I hope this situation not affect your site

[txsgent]

We hope you will stick around.... and still be a member here....I am not going to get into details and or an arguement or long discussion on this topic... but when the owner has to pull money out of his own pocket to keep the site up.. month after month after month... you have to do something.. because it is breaking you... as much as they would love to keep from charging, there was no choice... but to charge some kind of fee.. to offset the rising costs to keep the site up... We, wish we had more sponsors...to help with these expenses.. but even though we are growing fast... our sponsors are not growing with us... Even though, we now charge a fee for the downloads.... it is not that much to quibble over.... sure you can go elsewhere and get the downloads... that is your choice... but, will you get the same kind of support.. that you get here? Will you get the respect, that you are treated with here.. at other sites? I doubt it.... we have stressed in our staff discussion.. that we want to keep this site on the up and up.... and to treat all members with the same respect, we would like to have from the members... we never put members down.. or belittle them.. or try to talk down to them.... we all were newbies at one time... and remember how we were treated, as we were trying to learn.... We do hope you will still be a member here.. but if you chose not to.. we will wish you the best of luck... and you are more than welcome to come back and visit any time you want to.... our doors will still be open to you and any other member.... good luck... txsgent

[Tirconnell]

heroe2001 ,

I am glad you have enjoyed the site benefits and still can . We have implemented a $2 per month donation fee for Downloading Files . All other site features are still free .

With rising cost$ we had no other choice as Member Donations were stagnant and we felt that the new policy was the fairest for all .

[mr shady]

we are also offering other things aswell with the donation like a chance to win a free reciver ! im happy you found a place to get files from but remember so of the files floating around out there are fake and can fry your reciver i joined this forum from the get go and knew it was a good polace because i was refered from another mod i worked with else where please remember to look into where you are headin to i would hate to see you fry your receiver and remember we do have great help to offer and 1 man can eat all the bills! this is why we switched to a donation forum!

[heroe2001]

Hi

Thank you for your replies, I think the hold concept that I'm trying to explain in here was misunderstood.

I understand that you have expenses to keep this site open, but you need to look at the business man way. You need to see the market and you need to see what make you strong. There are a lot of other places but why everyone comes in here? Good service, respect, on time, FREE, etc.

But what happen if other place gives you the same and for free? You are going to loose your competitiveness and you will loose your clients, so what you can do?. There could be several ways to avoid this but you need to think in the best option for you, your clients and your sponsors. This is one example, maybe your sponsors complain that they don't have enough visitors and you charge per visit, well you can put some links that randomly opens one of your sponsors web page at the moment that someone login. Another example you can create a Top ten FTA sites and then if you're the best you can show it in this page and show to your sponsors that you're the best option, etc...

Charging to your customers is like a raise in taxes, if there is no other choice you raise it but this should be the last thing that you do.

Again this is just a comment because I like this site and I want the best for it. Please don't misunderstand my comments

[Alumicor]

"well you can put some links that randomly opens one of your sponsors web page at the moment that someone login"

Charging to your customers is like a raise in taxes, if there is no other choice you raise it but this should be the last thing that you do.



I don't know about you but personally I can't stand random popups.

Please don't impliment this.

With that being said, I fully plan on donating/sign up once my CC balance is 0 which should be before the end of this month. ;)

Reasons for Signing up will be as follows:

1) Extreamly good forums with lots of knowledgeable members and Exellent layout
2) Files / ECM Fixes are posted in a timely fassion, ususally in the top 2-3 Forum/File sites
3) Prompt replies with relavent tips to help anyone having trouble with most FTA's
4) Great mods (At least in the 2 areas I frequent Coolsat/NFusion)
5) 0 Crappy pop-ups! Yay

The only thing that is missing which isn't a huge deal would be a FTA Concept IRC Channel. (Unless there is one that I don't know about?) There are a few good IRC channels available from other sites but it would be nice to see one from FTA Concept, I for one would participate there.


Site Operator / Mods keep up the good work and you can look forward to a paid membership fee in the near future from this happy user.

[heroe2001]

Alumicor

This was only one example that could be post to discussion after all the owner should always take into consideration the VOC (Voice of customer) like your suggest on the FTA Concept IRC Channel

Thank you for remark the competitive advantage of this site and it is great that you want to support this site by voluntary donations but your post don't refer to what I'm trying to remark.

Like I say I like this place and I will like to have it for a long time but I don't want to see it close because this was the only idea that they have and they loose some members.

Anyway maybe I'm the only one with this vision and I hope I'm making a mistake, the best of the luck for this site and as for all the projects I hope this become a success

[Viewsats.com]

you know what heroe2001, your concerns make sense to a newbie who doesn't think too deep into the issue here.

Maybe you are used to going to forums that are totally free, but those are pretty much going the way of the dinosaur.

The fact is, anything with good information is something I consider valuable, and I don't mind paying a measly $2 a month for it. Especially the content and help this site brings.

You should be thankful there is an admin and staff that exists like this on here. They bust their ass to bring you customer support.

Think about me, I am a sponsor on this board and I provide customer support to my paying customers. So tell me, why should the admin and mods on here provide customer support when you aren't paying anything?

Because they are nice? Yeah a ton are, and that's awesome. But I find that most of the time its like a job for them. A newbie like you comes on here with less than 10 posts and asks for so much help...and often give nothing back in return.

To me, as long as what you are providing is of value, I say go ahead and charge for it. This is how things grow and evolve--get better. I am sure the owner is 100% reinvesting the funding into supporting the server costs and creating new features, etc.

So the next time you question some action like this, please think on a deeper level. You can tell the staff here has character--shoot i'd pay just to read their jokes they post.

[ufcwatcher]

Alumicor

This was only one example that could be post to discussion after all the owner should always take into consideration the VOC (Voice of customer) like your suggest on the FTA Concept IRC Channel

Thank you for remark the competitive advantage of this site and it is great that you want to support this site by voluntary donations but your post don't refer to what I'm trying to remark.

Like I say I like this place and I will like to have it for a long time but I don't want to see it close because this was the only idea that they have and they loose some members.

Anyway maybe I'm the only one with this vision and I hope I'm making a mistake, the best of the luck for this site and as for all the projects I hope this become a success


You have some good suggestions and good ideas. I will add only a few things. Have you ever come accross posts from HenDawg? What about XRange? What about other paying members that are in the 300 post rage(t_clealy). They paid and still help out without asking for anything in return.

At one point they were bronze members and they voluntarily donated money to become VIP members. That was when we didn't require it. Now XRange is a moderator. You have been at this site about the same time I have. The point I am trying to make here is that we do lots for the community without complaining but when we ask for a little bit of help everyone is running away and bashing the site.

[snitzhel]

heroe2001, its not personal, it's business..................

[heroe2001]

Again thank you for your replies

I know that this is not personal and as I mention I like this site and the support that everyone brings. I'm not so familiar with this technology as Viewsats.com mention as "newbie". But this is not the point.

Viewsats.com

I clearly understand your comments because I'm posting to charge the sponsors instead of the customers, but this is real this is marketing and publicity for you! This is what they should do! Marketing is not free and if the site have a better ranking they should charge more to the sponsor, this is real! you can see it in any network that you choose!! yes I have less than 10 posts, so what? this is because the most of the post are asking for "When we are going to have a new bin?"; "We have a very lame support"; "We need to change to another receiver" etc... (nothing personal to anyone) I don't want to complain like that, I know that they don't have those answers and we should not complain to them because they aren't the programers. They give us the answers that they have an thats it

So I hope I made myself clear, my intention is for real I'm looking the best for this site and I hope you understand it in this way.

ufcwatcher

As I mention before I'm not so familiar with this technology that is why I prefer to not get involved and misinform somebody. I don't know if you refer only to my comments or you already perceive something saying "but when we ask for a little bit of help everyone is running away and bashing the site." This is exactly what I want to avoid for this site! You're loosing one of your competitive advantages. There are always people that are faithful to one brand but why?! It is like in the industry, in the beginning quality and support represents a competitive advantage now everyone that wants to have a share of the pie should have this and also price this is the key PRICE!! Believe me I know what I'm talking about.

Anyway only the time will say if I'm wrong or not. I really hope that I'm wrong

[mr shady]

A newbie is a neew member or person to the fta community!

[Tirconnell]

heroe2001 ,

You bring up some great and valid points as well as a good overall impression of the site , Correct me if I am wrong .

The vast majority of the Staff on this site were the First to Contribute to the VIP Program when it came about some months back to help build the site for the betterment of all membership providing improvements and helping the site owner defray some-o-his out-o-pocket costs . But we did it Voluntarily as a Team .

Over those months we all ( Staff ) have tried to entice new VIP Membership for extra cost revenues for the cause , But you as well as I know we are upon some tough economic times and that forced us to look at new revenue raising ideas .

One thing to bear in mind is this site is Hosted Off Shore for every-ones privacy and protection , And with that comes extra Cost$ . Many sites have and will become Private with a $50 per year membership fee and we did not want to go that route .

You had mentioned the Sponsoring Site Retailers paying back to the site to help the cause . Well Mike at Viewsats.com has done just that . I believe he is the one who donated the Sonicview 360 Receiver we are giving-o-way .

Passing the extra cost on to the retailer ultimately has to pass it on to the consumer by charging them an increased price/fee for site add placement so they in turn pass it along to the buyer in increased pricing . That's something we didn't want to do and opted not to do . We want our Site Sponsors to to be able to sell to our Membership at a Competitive price as an added site service for our membership .

Mike - Viewsats.com has some great prices and Fantastic Service both before and after the sale . He's not just here to make a buck and dash . If you notice he is an Active Posting Member and I for one am Confident in referring a potential buyer to his store knowing he will treat them right and his reputation speaks volumes .

So it is a Team Effort with much going on behind the scenes that the average member does not see . The Staff hopes that we will have Many Happy New VIP Members . And sure we will loose some members to other add ridden sites that many will soon instill new charges . But this site was built on a Good Friendly Helpful Reputation of the Staff , Well other than Me .

So heroe2001 , I Thank You for your helpful comments and Civil Demeanor and hope one day you may become a VIP Member , If not still enjoy the site and site sponsors ,,,

[boboisno1]

As a member of a few different sites I'm seeing more and more sites being forced into charging fee's for downloads. As the fta market grows ,and more and more people are getting into it, when an ecm hits this is causing larger numbers of people trying to connect to sites like this, so in order for the site to keep up to the ever growing demands of new users they are forced into adding more servers to handle the increased volume of users. I believe it's only a matter of time before free sites will shut down for a while when ecms occur, so in order to stay on top of the game sites will have to add more servers to keep the masses happy.

[ufcwatcher]

Again thank you for your replies

I know that this is not personal and as I mention I like this site and the support that everyone brings. I'm not so familiar with this technology as Viewsats.com mention as "newbie". But this is not the point.

Viewsats.com

I clearly understand your comments because I'm posting to charge the sponsors instead of the customers, but this is real this is marketing and publicity for you! This is what they should do! Marketing is not free and if the site have a better ranking they should charge more to the sponsor, this is real! you can see it in any network that you choose!! yes I have less than 10 posts, so what? this is because the most of the post are asking for "When we are going to have a new bin?"; "We have a very lame support"; "We need to change to another receiver" etc... (nothing personal to anyone) I don't want to complain like that, I know that they don't have those answers and we should not complain to them because they aren't the programers. They give us the answers that they have an thats it

So I hope I made myself clear, my intention is for real I'm looking the best for this site and I hope you understand it in this way.

ufcwatcher

As I mention before I'm not so familiar with this technology that is why I prefer to not get involved and misinform somebody. I don't know if you refer only to my comments or you already perceive something saying "but when we ask for a little bit of help everyone is running away and bashing the site." This is exactly what I want to avoid for this site! You're loosing one of your competitive advantages. There are always people that are faithful to one brand but why?! It is like in the industry, in the beginning quality and support represents a competitive advantage now everyone that wants to have a share of the pie should have this and also price this is the key PRICE!! Believe me I know what I'm talking about.

Anyway only the time will say if I'm wrong or not. I really hope that I'm wrong

Let me tell you why I like this site. It won't take long. We support just about every single receiver and never bash anything or anyone. Newbies come in here without knowing anything(including myself 7 months ago). The sites where you get files for free get their support from some where else and bash everything that has nothing to do with them. All of the sites are like that. They support what they carry and bash everything else. If you want to support a site where you can express your opinion and supports just about everything then welcome.

[mr shady]

Well said ufc well said!!!!! Ill second your opion on this !!! And dont forget we are like one big family here ~ and try and treat everyone like part of the family and or team!

[txsgent]

The site, speaks for itself... we appreciate everyones opinions and views.. on this subject... good and bad... pro or con... you will not find a better site.... than this one.. and yes.. from time to time.. we hate to, but we do have to ban some members... because, they choose to not follow the most important rule of this site.... to treat everyone from the Admin down to the newest member and every sponsor with respect. But, as anyone can see... we have very few issues like that.. here.... We, made the decision to charge a very modest fee.... to download files.... that is the decision that was made... and that is the way it will be..... as I have already said... we hope all members will stay and even contribute to the site... in the forums and by joining the VIP. It will only make this site, even better.... If we lose a few good members, because of this, we will still wish them the best of luck... no matter where they go.... and hope, they leave as a friend and not mad or upset... and hopefully, will return to at least visit from time to time to say Hi.... jmo...... txsgent

[mr shady]

well said txsgent ! well said!!!

[Satbum.]

There are many good compliments, comments and ideas running in this thread.
I want to thank all for the inputs.
I think I'll let this run longer and may make a sticky out of it later,
if it doesn't get nasty.
LOL

[RANDY B]

I must say ,,that its so much nicer to know where to go to get what you want when you want it,,in saying this ,,I know i can come to this site and enjoy the FRINGE benefits of being a VIP member,with out any friction,,some one posted above that most sites are starting charge for their services ,and why not,,you are getting a service,,fact is we get a lot of service here when we need it,,,this particular site has been more than helpful,,when i have posted questions in the past,,no less than 3-5 responses every time,,that was before the VIP thing,,,i guess what im trying to say ,,at the end of the day..we all pay the same price for a COKE,,it was worth it to ME to make my donation, or what ever to know these guys will be here when i need help,,or i guess i could spend half the night going through other sites trying to find answers to the questions i may have,,and after hours of typing my info ,,they still ask you for a debt / credit card ,,,I do want to thank all the support here, as it is EXCELLENT,,A lot of good points were said in the above threads and i respect it all,,as this site may not be for everyone ,,it sure made a believer out of me,,,keep up the good work guys you have my support,,,thanks

[freaky]

i came to this site in dec07 found it when i googled fta
had great info and free d/l's
then i asked for help
had my post replied to in 10-15 minand the info was right on the money and everything worked good
have tried helping others with my limited knowledge and have gotten thx back
this site makes people feel good about asking for help and they dont put ne1 down
not even for asking something that may all ready be posted
these guys r great and i would still be here if it 100$ per year because i dont think i could really trust another site
again ty for all help and keep up the good work

THIS SITE ROCKS

[2008]

I am a member of many sites, but this site is my favorite one and I don't have any problem to support this site.

[harleynut]

You know for me I'm into several hobbies this being the newest, when it comes to something as interesting as surfing the sats, its tv but its also a hobby and hobby's are always worth investing a bit into and for roughly .06 a day for a hobby is not all that bad and the knowledge and opportunity to learn something new and then pass that knowledge onto others is not something a price can be put on let alone .06 cents a day.
Keep up the awsome job crew. :)

[wawaweh]

dielaughing I dont think the fee is excessive, to me it is just fair and reasonable. We used to pay 1.99 per gallon of gas and I thought that was reasonable and now I pay 4.89 per gallon, reasonable? YES, I dont have any choice.
But I think it is just an option we all have to make, I joined the vip, loving & reaping the benies it provided me. For sure I will WINE AND COMPLAIN if I dont get what its been promised.....Just my 1/2 cents comment.
Good discussions though!!!!! keep it UP:clap

[mr shady]

Im glad to see many donating kno !!! good job everyone and dont forget to enter the receiver contest! good luck everyone

[Satbum.]

This thread has become an interesting read.
Plus it was posted in the wrong section, so I desided to move it where it should have been posted and made a sticky out of it.

Thanks again for all the complements towards the site and family.

[mr shady]

There's usally 1-2 good posts in it a day !! mostly when triconnel gets his words in!!

[woosh]

Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

By the way, keep up the great work that everyone does here!!

[XRange]

Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

By the way, keep up the great work that everyone does here!!

This server is hosted offshore to protect everyone's identify, it has been upgraded to bigger server so when times get heavy maybe it want got down.
Hum I left out the giveaway of receiver to VIP member.
If you give $20 dollars you get all features enabled.
If you do $30 you get access to two site, in times of heavy traffic.

What does drink & nab cost you every day?

[ufcwatcher]

Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

By the way, keep up the great work that everyone does here!!

You are looking at the big number which says how many users have looked at the site as regular members. The truth is that only about .01% of that number has diceded to help us out. We are a community helping each other out and we are just asking for help to keep this site up and running. We have lots of great mods here with lots of knowledge and are always helping out without anything in return so if we ask for a little bit of help then I really don't think that is too much.

[txsgent]

Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

By the way, keep up the great work that everyone does here!!

If you also read... the post... for thanking the VIPS..... for joining... which.. if and when you decide to join... you will be able too.... it said.. that because of the donations.. we have moved to an even larger server.... and more secure.... and that all costs money... now... are you saying... that... the owner of this site, should put in all of his money and time and effort and just break even? It is also, where the money comes from, that allows, this site to now give away receivers, to VIP members... for donating to the site... which I think is great.... I don't pay attention to the how many vips there are.. or are not... or how much in theory... if everyone kicked in 2 bucks a month, how much that would equal.... I can tell you.... that the staff here.. puts in lots of time and effort to help make this site, what it is.. and we do not get paid one penny for doing so.... do we get benefits.. sure we do... we on occasion get receivers to test and write reviews on... so that we can continue to offer support and advice, when members need it.... the donations.. are not just for a profit.. they are to improve this site.. help the staff be more knowledgeable... about brands and models.. that are sold by our sponsors.... and all of that benefits you and everyone else, who joins here, whether they decide to join and get downloads or not.. U will always be welcome here regardless if you donate or not.... we do appreciate your comments and like to hear, what members have to say.... we also, have more and more members.. joining the VIP, and glad that they are..... we are up, when most sites get overloaded and go down... VIP's have their own server, to go to... when it does get crowded here.... to ensure, that they get to download files... so, that frees up, more bandwidth here for the non vip members.... especially the ones.. that keep getting on and asking, are we down now? When will there be a fix? We have grown from hardly any members to over 55,000 members... and we didn't do that.. by not doing something right... I like to think... it is our great attitude... our never putting a member down.... or making them feel bad, and our great staff and members who do the best, that they can, to help and assist each other.... here on this site... this is a family.... not just a site. we all treat each other with respect.... there are sites.. that would have put you on a warning.. a vacation or even banned you, for expressing an opinion. contrary to what the site practices.... or does... here you will not find that happening.. unless a member really gets out of line. We try to keep the spamming off the site... We try to keep the Adult ads off the site.. We try to help and assist, as soon as possible, since none of us can be on here 24 x 7....... There are lots of things.. that go on in the background, that most members never even notice.. just take for granted.... There are lots of responsibilities, to being an owner of a site, to finding the right staff for the site... and hoping to find sponsors.. that also like the site.... The staff, does not just offer help... we have many duties.. that we must monitor... on this site.... and all we want out of it... is to see, happy members... glad, that they succeeded in getting up and running..... and learning and helping others in time.... you say.. you are still learning... we all were there at one time.... I have been around for years... all the way back to C-band days... and BUD(Big Ugly Dishes) 10' dishes... before they even scrambled the signal.... and I am still here and learning.. just like everyone else... We, are glad that you like the site.. and maybe in time.. you will see, that your donation does help the site..... and that, there are advantages to being a VIP... but.. whether you do, or you don't.. you are always welcome here.... good luck.... txsgent

[mr shady]

well i kno that this is MUCH lower than most sites ask for some sites are $50.00 and up a year and the support is lacking from there staff members i am not goin to say you should join our vip program or john bob's down on the other side of the web but we do have the receiver give-a-away for the vip members whichis great! donate say $12 and get a vip membership and maybe a $130 receiver who wins there??? up to you and thanks for your input!

[Tirconnell]

Quote by woosh--if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more.



The Magic Word being If .

Merriam Webster describes the word " If " as - { a: in the event that b: allowing that c: on the assumption that d: on condition that }

With Membership now at 57,950 and growing If Everyone Donated even just $1 per year we would be sitting well . But we all know that isn't going to happen .

Human Nature dictates to many that when the Perception that something is Free then why should a charge/fee be applied to that Commodity .

Prime example being , Let's say we go into a Restaurant . We can only assume that even using the rest room and asking for a glass-o-water has a cost attached to the owner , But they graciously provide them to us for free under the assumption we will trade dollars if not then hopefully at a future date . That being building good will .

This site was set up to pay for it's self and eventually turn-o-profit not as a write off . So Donations are needed to keep it running to the standards of the site owner and Staff with constant improvements to the site and Off Shore Secure Server ( Of Two Sites ) that has price increases constantly with our expanding membership numbers .

So Obviously Donations and or VIP Members are needed to cover the cost$ and Hopefully turn a profit for the investment and time . But the good news is , We Also Welcome Non Donating Members and Visitors to surf our site and learn what they need to get up and running and gather information of future FTA equipment purchases by reading the many Great Equipment Reviews in our receiver review section .

Thanks for being a member and your input ,,,

[mr shady]

Well put ! Well put!!!! im sure the point has been proven here and also some site charge for all info aswell as where we offer for free! it's the downloads that need the donation!

[ultima_weapon]

in all honesty, to me, $2.00 a month is nothing. it cost's me $1.65 for a tim hortons coffee. the gas in Canada is about $1.40 a liter (which is about $5.60 a gallon, so i don't understand why the americans are complaining about $4.80 gallon lol ) but what really sucks for me, is it's been a while since i've been on the site and i didn't realize i had to pay to be a VIP. I've donated quite a bit in the past, but i went to go download a new bin file and it wouldn't let me. the problem i have, is now i have to wait until my payment goes through to get the new file. Again, i have no problems in donating and paying for my membership, but now i can't get the codes. my question to you, is there any way to speed up the process so i can get the codes faster, or at least does anyone have any suggestions as to where i can go temporarily to get the codes. i will never abandon this amazing site, the people here are just amazing. always very helpful and they never complain when i ask some seriously bonehead questions :) i've been to a few sites in the past that really didn't make me feel welcome at all. i've never had a problem with that here. so could someone help please? thanks again everyone for your help and amazing work you do here. keep up the great work!

[mr shady]

let me get a admin to look for yourpayment do you have the last 4-5 #'s of confirmation???

[mr shady]

post a thread under subscription problems and a admin will look into the please give them the last 4-5#'s of the confirmation from paypal aswell!

[RANDY B]

I dont think it really matters what another man pays,,dont let the big picture fool you,,keep your self in the HERE AND NOW,,and not worry about the calculated OVERALL REVENUE this site may or may not have,,all that really matters per person is that HELP IS HERE ,,HERE AND NOW,,and at the end of the day $20 A year is well worth the cost have having the maintnence for your receiver when you need it,,i know when my car has problems i have to pay to continue to drive,,i cant call GMAC and tell them about the millions of other customers who are making payments as high as mine and expect it to become free,,hell man this is the least amount of money i pan out,,and yet get the most satisfaction of doing so,,because when im not on the road with my band playing music ,,my fat little ass is up under the TV,,That being said,,,if the cost is so much to deal with because of calculating ALL the members overall finances here at this fine site,,like me you will quickly FIND OTHER SITES THAT do charge more and offer less WITH AN ATTITUDE,,not trying to sound mean im sorry if i come off that way,,but i know what these people go through with all the questions and yada yada,,and dealing with dummies like me who dont know anything about this FTA thing,,these guys are the bomb and will help you in every avenue of FTA that they can,, Can you imagine ,, it being you on the support end of this,,and someone starts with the million dollars a year thing,,its sort of BS,,all they ask for is a small donation for their efforts,,not a calculated productive cost chart with a resolute template to show year end totals,,free your self man live a little it dont cost so much,,,,,

[Satellite hunter]

Well, I think I'll put in my two cents worth instead of two dollars for the time being. I don't look at the what I would be paying for a month or even a year. I look at the whole picture, what everyone one would be paying. What I'm trying to say is, if and that is a Big If, if every member here on this site pays two dollars a month, then that's (at the present time) almost 116 thousand dollars a month, almost 1.4 million a year. Now, if all that can be justified, I'm all for it, heck I might would even give a little more. I think this is a great site, I've been helped many times and greatful for it, I've even tried helping some myself, but I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and barely get by as it is. I don't know what it takes to run a web site. But, for some reason that seems steep when you look at the overall picture. So, anyone with any knowledge of what it takes, feel free to fill me in. Then maybe I'll have a better understanding.

By the way, keep up the great work that everyone does here!!

It would be nice if 59,000+ members join in the VIP program. I would quit my job and stay home to take care of the site. To be honest with you, we have over 1,000 members who joined in the VIP...which is less than 1%. I'm cool with it because they're supporting the site and in return, we supply them with the info that they need.

All the info and help on this site can be used for free,no one is twisting your arm to join in the VIP program. If you're not happy with the site, feel free to leave. There are too many free sites out there that you can go to,just use your search engine to find them. I have nothing to hide from anyone here! Thank you to all who are supporting this site!


SH

[RANDY B]

AGREED,,That sure as hell is the finest reply to this whole thread,,SAT HUNTER,,as i mentioned in the thread above yours,i can only guess the crap you guys have to deal with,,,YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT,,And thank you for such an awesome job you guys continue to do................................RANDY B

[Watcher64]

I know this is like beating a dead, horse , but, I am not sure which bugs me more, the fact that people complain about the $2 or the fact that they do not even join into the commuity enough to see the posts about the membership.

People go straight to the thread for their box, do not even bother to read or to join in to anything else ..

And then they wonder what's going on ...


Ok end of my rant ....

[mr shady]

I Personally am goin to thank you for your support for the whole staff team seeing how they all will be glad to have your suport and dont forget to try for the free receiver it is members like you that support teh site that make what we do worth while!

[RANDY B]

I know this is like beating a dead, horse , but, I am not sure which bugs me more, the fact that people complain about the $2 or the fact that they do not even join into the commuity enough to see the posts about the membership.

People go straight to the thread for their box, do not even bother to read or to join in to anything else ..

And then they wonder what's going on ...


Ok end of my rant ....
You are not wrong there,,most people dont realize the hidden fruits throughout this site,, i try exploring through it and find all kinds of unique threads / downloads,,,in general just good info,,,which leads me to this question ,,how do you enter for the box giveaway

[XRange]

You are not wrong there,,most people dont realize the hidden fruits throughout this site,, i try exploring through it and find all kinds of unique threads / downloads,,,in general just good info,,,which leads me to this question ,,how do you enter for the box giveaway

This should get you there.

http://www.ftaconcept.com/showthread.php?t=18832

[appy1]

I paid the subscription fee because this is the best site.
I have never seen this site down when others were overloaded. I dont get bombarded with BS email.
The fee is very small compared to all others.
I have never seen anyone reply in bad taste.
I recognized good mods from other sites that came here.
After two years of Fta this the only site that I would actually donate to .
I hope others will to,so that we can ensure our future here.
THANKS and GOOD LUCK.
PS. lets here how it is going

[jaycool2]

It would be nice if 59,000+ members join in the VIP program. I would quit my job and stay home to take care of the site. To be honest with you, we have over 1,000 members who joined in the VIP...which is less than 1%. I'm cool with it because they're supporting the site and in return, we supply them with the info that they need.

All the info and help on this site can be used for free,no one is twisting your arm to join in the VIP program. If you're not happy with the site, feel free to leave. There are too many free sites out there that you can go to,just use your search engine to find them. I have nothing to hide from anyone here! Thank you to all who are supporting this site!


SH

You know some people thinks everyone owes them. They want everything free! People like that I have no use for, when I start reading one of their post, and see they are bitching about paying 2.00 for the privilige of being a member of this site and able to download all files safetly, I usually skip over and go to the next post and read something that is worth my time. What in the HE???? do they want> free,free,free.

[mr shady]

you are right they do want it all for free the owner tried that but not one person can eat the bills for running a forum like this and we tried a vip program and we only got 200 members to help out of50,000 + not too good if you ask me!!

[jaycool2]

you are right they do want it all for free the owner tried that but not one person can eat the bills for running a forum like this and we tried a vip program and we only got 200 members to help out of50,000 + not too good if you ask me!!

I joined the vip and paid a fee, if Im suppose to do something else, direct me in the right direction. I will be more than happy to pay a fee each month. thanks.

[baileyt60]

had a friend who used to come here and help people and then he told you all the truth about how people was feeling about the way you handled certain things like just suddenly banning from down loading files and he would start a forum and you all would close it and i guess he was getting to ya because he cant even log on any more i guess its the price he paid for trying you keep you all from sinking , he really cared for alot of you and was deeply hurt,his Mom told him , son the love of money is the root of all evil and now he sees through a glass clearly . yes he recemended me to tis site , im sure alot will remember him ty you pushup for all the help , thats all he wanted to help people well he has a new site now and its free files and if they charge him its not a big deal he will pay if they do it in an appropriate way not just suddenly cutting him off the claimming to have sent email that the didnt until the day he told them that they didnt lol im probably banned now 2 but oh well its the truth hope that some1 get my message

[jhonny come latey]

wow is that right . i heard this site is the best do they really treat you like that here?

[txsgent]

had a friend who used to come here and help people and then he told you all the truth about how people was feeling about the way you handled certain things like just suddenly banning from down loading files and he would start a forum and you all would close it and i guess he was getting to ya because he cant even log on any more i guess its the price he paid for trying you keep you all from sinking , he really cared for alot of you and was deeply hurt,his Mom told him , son the love of money is the root of all evil and now he sees through a glass clearly . yes he recemended me to tis site , im sure alot will remember him ty you pushup for all the help , thats all he wanted to help people well he has a new site now and its free files and if they charge him its not a big deal he will pay if they do it in an appropriate way not just suddenly cutting him off the claimming to have sent email that the didnt until the day he told them that they didnt lol im probably banned now 2 but oh well its the truth hope that some1 get my message
Now that you have expressed yourself... I do hope it makes you feel better... if you read all of the posts here.. most members are happy with this site... we can not make all members happy... and we are glad that your friend, has found a new site to go to.. and that they are happy there... We also can not have some members who put out nothing but trash or negative comments, that is dispruptive to the site and the membership. I see you have offered to make a total of 2 comments since joining in Dec of last year.... and one is a very negative comment, which is this one... that I am replying to now... Nothing you say, is going to change, the policy of this site... It has been done.. and it is final.... I checked to see if any posts by a person named sunset were here.. the name does not bring to my mind, anything in particular your friend did... or said... to my memory, which is very short.... and limited...but if he did... we still appreciate any and all help they offered. If all your friend did was put out negative comments.. then I am sure, he was cutoff at the pass... we run a friendly site here.. a helpful site.. and a curteous site... we will not allow someone to constantly post negative attitudes, that only upsets the harmony of the site..... obviously.. you feel it is all greed to.. or you would not have posted this comment..... you are welcome to stay and participate..in a positive manner.. but not a destructive one, or to also move on... as your friend did, if you are not happy here. There is no changing the way things are being done.. nothing you say.. will change the policy... if you move on... we hope the best for you.. if you decide to stay.. please make it more positive and helpful posts in the future... good luck..txsgent

[txsgent]

Jhonny, welcome to the site... I see you just joined.. maybe you should look around.. read and learn.. and see for yourself.. if this site is what you heard it is.. or what one obviously unhappy member has to say for what this site is about.... I do hope you are bigger than that... to take one persons comments as truth and gospel... and not give the site a fair shake.... but that is up to you... good luck.. enjoy all this great site has to offer.. and I do hope you will be an asset to the site.. good luck... again.. Welcome... txsgent

PS: if this Thread continues down the negative path... I will close it..we don't mind criticism.. but we will not allow..nothing but negative comments from a few to affect this great site.... we all have rules to follow... and putting down the site, sponsors.. Admin, Staff or other members is not allowed.. period..

[Watcher64]

had a friend who used to come here and help people and then he told you all the truth about how people was feeling about the way you handled certain things like just suddenly banning from down loading files and he would start a forum and you all would close it and i guess he was getting to ya because he cant even log on any more i guess its the price he paid for trying you keep you all from sinking , he really cared for alot of you and was deeply hurt,his Mom told him , son the love of money is the root of all evil and now he sees through a glass clearly . yes he recemended me to tis site , im sure alot will remember him ty you pushup for all the help , thats all he wanted to help people well he has a new site now and its free files and if they charge him its not a big deal he will pay if they do it in an appropriate way not just suddenly cutting him off the claimming to have sent email that the didnt until the day he told them that they didnt lol im probably banned now 2 but oh well its the truth hope that some1 get my message

WOW, this just proves the point of my earlier post, somebody with 2 posts thinks he knows everything about this site, who I am sure now, only leeched files, and never once tried to help or even comment about anything on the site until he quits getting everything handed to him on a silver platter ....

From what I understand this is a community site, well communites talk, and cooperate, sometimes they fight and bicker but at least fighting and bickering is a form of commuication, not just lurking in the background until things are not they way you want them to be.

My .02 if you don't like it STFU and go away and stop bothering those of us who like it here.!!!

[appy1]

This is a fair policy I can't beleive anyone could complain. For anyone who is thinking about joining don't hesitate , it is worth it your time is worth more than the fee. I know I wasted alot of my own looking for a clean reliable place to visit.

[RANDY B]

BAILEY BAILEY BAILEY,,Thats sort of ballsy to come to a gun fight with a knife,,just kidding,,hang around long enough and you will see nothing but positive stuff from this site,,and its ok to have a bad day here as well as anywhere else you go ,,but to be shut down from here,,,well lets just say,,im sure your friend and all his mothers wisdom allowed him overstep the boundaries of even this site,,,as far as money being the root of all evil,,why hell he has to spend some first,,it is not about the money ,,its about gratitude,,you can only ride the bus for a few times for free till the man ask you to step off,,anything besides that would be no better than pouring perfume on a hog,,in other words,,its the inner workings of each individual man ,,if you are only cut from the stuff that will only allow you to go through life on a half ass basis then you will only get what you put into it,, the true measure of a man is what he does when know one is watching,,or the man that helps another man when everyone else has given up on him,,,life is to short to be crying over a few dollars ,,free your self man and live a little..it dont cost much,,P.S. at least try posting more than two post,,let people know whats happening,,i mean this is not DR.PHILL show,,, but some one can steer you right if you have a legitimate complaint,,GOD BLESS YOU ALL

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R B- I saw your requests to delete the posts in question and I desided to leave this one and to delete the others! If you really want this deleted then personally let me know -----Satbum

[Satbum.]

baileyt60 - Welcome to the site!

I stand behind and concur with txsgent 100%.
I too remember Pushup and was sorry to see him go, but that was his choice.
I will admit on Pushup's behalf that we at this site could have given a longer notice
before making the change as we did, but the owner made the decision and we do
support him 100% as well. He puts the money back into the site and there isn't enough
paying VIP members for him to come out ahead in the funds, so don't think anybody is making
a lot of money in the new policy. It does take funds to run a site like this. Pushup could not see the big picture, I hope you can now understand a little better.

Cheers!

[RANDY B]

BAILEY BAILEY BAILEY,,Thats sort of ballsy to come to a gun fight with a knife,,just kidding,,hang around long enough and you will see nothing but positive stuff from this site,,and its ok to have a bad day here as well as anywhere else you go ,,but to be shut down from here,,,well lets just say,,im sure your friend and all his mothers wisdom allowed him overstep the boundaries of even this site,,,as far as money being the root of all evil,,why hell he has to spend some first,,it is not about the money ,,its about gratitude,,you can only ride the bus for a few times for free till the man ask you to step off,,anything besides that would be no better than pouring perfume on a hog,,in other words,,its the inner workings of each individual man ,,if you are only cut from the stuff that will only allow you to go through life on a half ass basis then you will only get what you put into it,, the true measure of a man is what he does when know one is watching,,or the man that helps another man when everyone else has given up on him,,,life is to short to be crying over a few dollars ,,free your self man and live a little..it dont cost much,,P.S. at least try posting more than two post,,let people know whats happening,,i mean this is not DR.PHILL show,,, but some one can steer you right if you have a legitimate complaint,,GOD BLESS YOU ALL
Please dis-regard my prior post,, as not to offend anyone,,that is exactly the thing i did not intend to do,,im sorry guys if i came off wrong,,,,
RANDY B.

[CsFTAForever]

WOW!!!! What an amazing thread...heroe2001 thanks for opening up and sharing your insights. Same goes to all others that have contributed to this thread!!!!

My input into this goes out to all non VIP members and I strongly urge you to read this entire thread....

Beyond all the obvious and not so obvious reasons posted here on why becoming a VIP is beneficial, consider this.....

You have chosen to become involved in a "hobby" (commonly known as FTA)! To participate, you made the decision to invest in equipment needed..a dish, LNBs, cables and a receiver, which probably cost you in total more than $200. You also made a decision to use the equipment for a purpose it was not intended or sold for....so if it costs you $30 a year to access files, that's .082 cents a day...hmmmm....... this should not be a difficult decision!!!

What can you get for $2 these days..a chocolate bar, a bag of chips, a couple cans of pop, a coffee...maybe a taco from Taco Bell...it will cost $2 to drive to the convenience store.....point is 2 bucks doesn't go far these days!!!!

Now for an extremely small $ amount per month you get access to a site that is reliable, secure, friendly, respectful, honest and unbiased to name a few. Not to mention the access to virus free files and a completely private site.

Lets put this into perspective with something hopefully we can all relate to....Everyone uses a PC to access this site and many other sites on the Internet..that PC may also be used for business and for other personal reasons...Now lets say you choose to use the PC for other purposes (not intended for) and something goes wrong and the PC doesn't work any longer. Not everyone has a PC expert available to them to fix the PC for free...here you have access to IMHO to the most sound advice and technical expertise on FTA available today..and that is free!!!!

Cheers

[bmorris]

I have absolutuly no problem supporting this site and believe the amount of the donation you request to be more than fair and reasonable.
The only problem I have is that I notice when going to my paypal system to donate
that it is a recurring payment. In other words a payment is taken out of my account on a regular basis at the end of the pay period.
Again, I don't find this a problem as long as I'm regularly using the site. However, is there a way stop the recurring charges should I choose another hobby?
Thanks

[ufcwatcher]

I have absolutuly no problem supporting this site and believe the amount of the donation you request to be more than fair and reasonable.
The only problem I have is that I notice when going to my paypal system to donate
that it is a recurring payment. In other words a payment is taken out of my account on a regular basis at the end of the pay period.
Again, I don't find this a problem as long as I'm regularly using the site. However, is there a way stop the recurring charges should I choose another hobby?
Thanks

Thank you for cosidering the donation. What I recommend you do is to get a prepaid credit card with the exact amount you want to donate and use that with paypal. You can also cancel at any time.

[CsFTAForever]

I have absolutuly no problem supporting this site and believe the amount of the donation you request to be more than fair and reasonable.
The only problem I have is that I notice when going to my paypal system to donate
that it is a recurring payment. In other words a payment is taken out of my account on a regular basis at the end of the pay period.
Again, I don't find this a problem as long as I'm regularly using the site. However, is there a way stop the recurring charges should I choose another hobby?
Thanks

bmorris...once you setup the payment through Paypal you'll find it payment history of your Paypal account...From there you can cancel the recurring payment at any time....

Hope this helps you feel more comfortable with becoming a VIP member.....

Cheers

[mr shady]

if you have any questions about it the admin team is always ready to help!!! just simply ask

[bmorris]

Thanks Guys....I'm in.

[snitzhel]

thanks for donating........

[HenDawg]

Welcome to the other side bmorris, thanks for being a site supporter...

[Satbum.]

Thanks Guys....I'm in.

Welcome aboard and thanks for caring enough to join the VIP elite group.:D

[freaky]

Welcome bmorris
you wont be disappointed with he support you will recieve

[mr shady]

welcome and thanks for being a vip memeber!

[HenDawg]

Welcome bmorris
you wont be disappointed with he support you will recieve

Thanks for the kind words, freaky...
Test on...

[carter]

bmorris your the bomb, thanks on supporting this site